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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 4, 2008 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

I hope you folks will tolerate this post. I feel, as many of you do, that the folks here are part of an extended family.
This is indeed an historic night, it brought tears to my eyes to see how far we have come in my lifetime. It also made me think of my father who passed away in March. He had been living with me and my family for his last year with health problems and his last vote was for Obama in the primary here in Utah. His first presidential vote was for his hero,FDR (whom I was named after) in '40. He was a self made man who retired as the number 2 guy at the fourth largest oil company in the world, and had lots of wealth when he passed. Yet he never lost his liberal tilt. He taught me that it was the responsiblity of people who had the good fortune to have money and success to help those who didn't. I never saw him pass a homeless person on the street, or at a stoplight, without giving something, and he subscribed to more charities than I can count. He was a staunch Democrat and an advocate of human rights and opportunity. This day would have made him so happy.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2008-11-05 06:01:59

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaF4fTfAMvY&;feature=related

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

This thread is outrageous.

Thanks for the touching story Purple Gel. Most folks here value your contribution to the forum.

My dad voted Republican. However, I spoke w/ him and he is very proud of our nation today.

We should all be proud.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

maybe when you're his age, you will vote wisely also. Change-hope

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

Rasta, you think Tancredo would accept Palin's #2? [how's that for a set up?] Get some sleep and head on out to Iowa next week to start the campaign...



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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

You assume I voted for Obama. Where is your wisdom today?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

Yep; in spite of myself, I am all warm and fuzzy today.

Damn, what's the DOW doing!?!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onN9qSTLaAo

I like Aretha's version better, maybe because I'm a little younger.

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

Both versions are better than Dre's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJZk7H9-UA

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Poster: Bobglz Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I Think Sam Cooke Said It Best

give you an amen on this one, SDH - mmmmmm-mmmmm

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Purple Gel, I was the first to respond to you yesterday and it's getting to be a habit. That was a touching story - he sounds like a great guy.

America should be proud of itself today if only for the level of participation yesterday. Now the world waits to find out if the reality matches up to the hope.

So on this historic day how about this day in history ?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-05.nak300.sharpless.89053.sbeok.flac16 some great jams here.

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Poster: ganges Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Purple Gel, thank you for this personal post. I'm very sorry that your father couldn't experience this day. But it seems to me that he left behind such a wonderful heritage of his life for you - he might know all this and enjoy.

I don't want this to be a political post, because I'm no US citizen, but I always felt very much for this country and its people. And it did really touch me, too, when I watched what happened over there - early in the morning over here. I hope the new president can bring about a change for all of us. We're all connected in this age and no country really stands alone. I feel honesty and vision in what he says and I do hope.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Purple Gel,

Thank you for that moving post. I brought my 3month old daughter to the voting booth with me yesterday and I'm so glad to be able to tell her when she grows up that she was there the day history was made in America.

Whatever you think about Obama as a politician...no matter who you were for in this election...the symbolic significance this election result has in regards to chipping away at the shameful past of slavery and racism in the US is monumental and must be recognized.

I did not vote for Obama because he is black. I voted for him b/c I believe in his intelligence and passion and desire to make this country a better place, but I do realize what this victory must mean for black Americans who can trace their own family histories back to a time when their descendants were brought here in chains...or those who had police dogs unleashed upon them for fighting discrimination and Jim Crow laws that lasted into the 1960's....it's a very amazing accomplishment.

Whether Obama can fix the pile of filth he's been left by the Bush administration remains to be seen. I'm less hopeful that he...or anyone can do it. But for this moment at least, there is pride to be taken in the fact that Americans are giving him the chance.

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Poster: mreyus Date: Nov 5, 2008 5:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

sorry about your dad. he has raised a fine child. he is proud of you for sure..................

however,
when obama and his socialistic ways are finished, and the countries that breed terror, actually have a field day with this new administration, we all will rue the day he was elected.
this man is a zero... hasnt done a thing in congress or for that matter even his home state.
THE MEDIA MADE HIM.
as time goes by we will understand that bush was given a raw deal to start.
the clintonistas, had a chance to put bin laden away lock stock and barrell, but instead pandied about bragging about health and education reform. lol lol
health and education are at their worst ever, thanks to bubba.
yea, bush screwed up royally, but i havnt seen an attack on our country, or even a threat, since 9/11.

well i have rambled on long enough
good luck to you, your daughter, and obama
GOD BLESS THE USA

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Poster: barongsong Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Well as someone who has lived in the largest Muslim country on the planet since before "the Bush era" and someone who has been a true American independent politically forever {this means for me not believing either parties bullshit words but only actions". That the removal of the current Administration by anyone is an improvement in worldwide relations and ultimately our safety . I could go on about the inept foreign policy and moves that the previous administration directed, but for me the destruction of years of diplomatic good will that America had built up for decades which was one of our biggest assets by all accounts before the Bush administration, is just plain unforgivable, and I for one, who has seen the bombs and extremists first hand, am willing to give this new guy with his big talk a chance. More of the same is not going to do it so I'm at least a bit hopeful for a change.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Yep. I am as cynical as anyone, and always hoping someone independent will come along with clout, BUT enough was enough already!

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Poster: barongsong Date: Nov 5, 2008 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Zakly. And to PGel all the world traveled Oil guys I know and there's a lot of them here said they voted for Obama. Cheers to your father.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Hey PG--it's been a long time here with you at the forum so I feel the same way.

Cool story; thanks for letting us in on it.

Hang in there, and I'll be thinking of your dad all day.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

*sigh* OK, for "myerus"...

One more time, for those unclear on the concept: Here's what your "raw deal" failure of a Bush administration received--delivered to their desks in August of 2001-- a detailed report entitled:

"Bin Laden determined to attack within the U.S." Way to respond, Bushies! Thanks a ton for protecting us.

But, of course it's all Clinton's fault.

And 7 years later Bin Laden is still running around Pakistan long after Bush's promise to "smoke him out" and capture him "dead or alive." What a tough guy.

Hey, but at least Bush started a completely irrelevant war against a country that had nothing at all to do with 9/11. That's great! More than 4,000 US troops have died there and 140,000 are still sitting there, unable to fight against the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan.

Yeah, Bush got a raw deal alright. I think I'll take my chances with the guy the "media made", who just inspired a majority of the country to give him a chance to fix the utter and complete failures of the worst administration in 100 years.

Bush apologists are just the saddest creatures on the face of the Earth.



This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2008-11-05 15:14:45

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

It's great to read such succinct political discourse from a graduate of the Keith Olberrman school of poly-sci. Wake up asshole, the election's over and it's time to put your money where your mouth is. You think a 5% margin of victory is a landslide, I got news for you, virtually half of this country still sees things differently than you do. So, while you're riding the high tide of contentment on your bandwagon, you might want to start thinking about shit like how the media. who made your candidate, is no longer your pal, but your adversary.

Nothing makes a better story than knocking a powerful person from their high horse and reaping the reward of redeeming it's own victim. It's how the media plays ball, isn't it? Count on it. Beware brother beware.

I for one am extremely proud that our country had the balls to elect a black man president. I'm even ready willing and able to give him a fair shot at his duties. (Which by the way, was never an option for you hating motherfuckers that never, ever gave Bush the same courtesy. Think about it. Did you?)

So instead of being an Olberrman blowjob queen, and continuing to live in George Bush's world, you might want to just once think about the very, very real perils it represents to your future. Remember, on January 20th 2009, your job as presidential apologist officially begins. Hope you hold up well to the unwarranted hatred that will surely come your way.

Peace, out.

With all due apologies to Purple Gel, who I don't think meant this thread to be part of an ongoing pissing contest.

This post was modified by Earl B. Powell on 2008-11-05 18:47:35

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Nice to hear you use the term 'asshole' to make your point.

Well played, sir. A fine example of the kind of discourse you must resort to, and further proof that keeps intelligent people of conservative views, like Mandojammer from posting on this forum.

I'm sorry you're so angry and feel the need to act like a 5-year old who just lost the game and wants to take his ball home in protest. It guess it's difficult to deal with disappointment like an adult.

Peace out, indeed.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Good answer. Always adept at shooting the messenger, no positive remarks. The next four years should be boring for those of your ilk, with nothing to complain about. And nothing to offer.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 5, 2008 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

i'm sure you'll be right there to fill in the complainment gap.

have a blast shaking your fist at all the dirty liberals fighting for "rights" and "justice". I mean, who needs that mamby pamby liberal crap anyway?

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Nov 5, 2008 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Would it be out of order to suggest a sweepstake on 1) how long before he is assasinated, and 2) where the assasin comes from.

I don't think he'll make the county line.

to misquote

Unfortunately

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Man that's just wrong.

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Nov 5, 2008 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

apologies, lot of people talking that way here.

I would hate to see anything happen to the man. I believe that he will be a great force for positive change in the world., and a great President. I hope he can liberate the country from the mess it is currently in. I've been in a seminar for the past 3 days with some john of God brothers talking about hospitality and vision. That man has the vision

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

>>>you hating motherfuckers that never, ever gave Bush the same courtesy.>>>

Yes courtesy is ironic.

Bush took so many vacations in his first year, so we just had to wonder why Cheney needed him at all. Well taking the heat was the best reason so Cheney could hide out in some locked cave.

Obama won by a Reagan landslide. Now that's a mandate for change. Hopefully school lunches programs across the land will NOT count ketchup as a vegetable and the military will be happy with 10,000 nuclear warheads and the biggest military to shame the face of the earth.

The very real perils come from the liars and thieves who say they want small government but really want to intrude on personal privacy to the last detail and spend like there's no tomorrow.

Unfortunately here on the day after it seems like the right wing will continue to lie and probably do everything in their power to stop success. Carter made too many compromises to the Right and they buried him, though he still has the last laugh.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Ketchup, not a vegetable. Check. Done deal.

Other than the continued hate mongering, might you have an additional improvement to offer, now that we've unilaterally agreed on the Ketchup being a condiment issue? Should I phone UNICEF?

Free thinking liberals, always taking the lead with new unorthodox approaches to societies ills.

Note: You've only got a couple more months of hatred left until somebody comes up with some ideas about how to fix this mess. That international ketchup issue was a good start.

Man that was f-u-n-n-y.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Try fasting a bit and get back to me on the hunger issue.

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

Of the hungry, the hopeless, the crippled and the poor

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UzyPrjHFCg

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEiPfGPVVY

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

I'm surprised she didn't notice the paparazzo filming her.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 5, 2008 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPz3YWXIbI&;feature=related

Re Bush, and not to forgive folks, but there was a strong sense that his first term was illegitimate due to Florida and the whole debacle around the same (and this country really does need to get its act together re voting in elections ). However, when 9/11 came and he gave his speech at the site of the towers and at the National Cathredal in DC I think most gave him the benefit of the doubt and really wanted him to suceeed (I know I did). I don't think anyone truly ever wants to see the President fail - outside of real partisan politicians. However, what was asked of us as a nation after 9/11, when Bush had a chance to unite not only us, but the international community supporting us? Keep shopping and don't give up your SUV. There was no sense we as a nation were in this together that I ever perceived coming from his administration and the rush to war with a country that appeared to have nothing directly to do with 9/11 but did play out the scenarios created by folks such as Wolfowitz and Cheney years before 9/11 did not help foster support or legitimacy. Then we see the incredible war profiteering, the actions of the Justice Dept., war torture memo and actions at Abu Gharib and Guatanamo, the Plame affair, the efforts to belittle the military service of Kerry (who I'm no fan of) by a rich boy draft dodger, Cheney and Rove's contempt for Congress and the rule of law, etc (the list goes on and on and on), it makes it hard to give W much benefit of the doubt -especially when there has been a systemic lack of competence under his administration. Surely not every incident is his fault, but these things happened on his watch and we always lay blame where the buck stops. Wasn't yesterday more of a national referendum on George than it was an endorsement of Obama?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 5, 2008 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

...not my point. It takes little political expertise, especially in retrospect to be critical of any administration, and the tearing down of George Bush is no exception. Much of it he is deserving of. The point is that constant and unrelenting criticism has become to many their only platform. Nothing from Mr. Grendel but venom, not one iota of positive reinforcement, or even reference to the ideologies that might serve us better. Rather, blaming our (his) apparent predicament time and time again on what is now, the past.

So now, we're in essentially a leaderless vacuum for the next couple of months. What, dear haters of Bush, are your political plans that will turn around the mess that we're in? Blame game over, ball's in your court.

Please give me an answer. You know, like "by putting a windfall tax on oil, we can__________." Or here's an easy one, it was part of the campaign; "by taxing the top 5% of the wealthiest Americans we will be able to___________."

Come on, folks have been absolutely stunning at critical analysis of the system, how 'bout some positive vibes here.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History was made today!! In memory of my Dad. (non dead)

>>>the clintonistas, had a chance to put bin laden away>>

The Chenyites did too and failed after vowing revenge.


>>>yea, bush screwed up royally, but i havnt seen an attack on our country, or even a threat, since 9/11.>>>

Too bad you never heard about the anthrax attacks on Congress and the media, by domestic terrorists seeking to chnage the constitution. And no, right wing claims about it being connected to Saddam were lies too.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:29pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgvv-Hj62H0

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Poster: jmm2112 Date: Nov 5, 2008 7:24am
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Where are you a citizen?


James